| Date: | 2009-05-14 13:20 |
| Subject: | Notes about LOST (5.16)- "The Incident" (parts 1 & 2) |
| Security: | Public |
| Location: | Troy, OH |
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Good afternoon folks!! Helluva episode last night to end a really fantastic season of LOST!!! I actually ended up heading home to the Dayton area tonight with my lady to enjoy the show in the good company of fellow LOST geeks on a large, HD TV. I think we have a crapload of stuff to talk about, so let's do this. And my apologies for getting this out so late as we got hit with REALLY bad storms here in Ohio and I had to shut down the PC. As always, thanks to LOST cubit and GETLOSTPODCASTMEDIA.COM for their great pics!!
THINGS I NOTICED ABOUT LOST:
- This one could take a while: JACOB!!- The episode started off in a cave (later revealed to be the inside of the statue) on the island in 1845 (i'll get to how we know this in a second) where a young man is making tapestries in a cave with writings/pictures on the wall. He later catches some fish (using very basic, primitive techniques) while observing a ship in the distance. He has a brief conversation with a man, who blames him for bringing the ship to the island and how they will only bring destruction. We learn that the first man is in fact, Jacob.
Jacob is then told by the second man that he will find a "loophole" and one day kill him.
Question remains: who is the other man?
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My answer to this: Smokey and/or the island. I'm starting to think that Jacob and the island are going against each other, so any war that is coming will have a few sides: dharma, the island, and the others. Am I missing anybody else? lol But it seems that Jacob and the island don't see eye to eye. Why can't the island kill him? f you want to think biblically, Jacob had a brother named Esau, that was a twin, and that the two fought against each other. Esau was a "twin" and this could go back to the manuscript, "Bad Twin" that I think Sawyer was reading in season 1 (thanks to Roojay from SSG that pointed out the Esau tidbit!).
My question remains though: why would Jacob try to bring people to the island? One guess is that he's trying to change the future. How or why or what does he know is not known to us right now, but he seems pretty set on trying to change things. He tells the Smoke Man that anything that happens before that destruction will be progress. Progress to what? The two men part ways and we get a full shot of the statue!!
It appears to be Sobek, a god that appears in the form of a crocodile.
According to wikipedia: "was the deification of crocodiles, as crocodiles were deeply feared in the nation so dependent on the Nile River. Egyptians who worked or travelled on the Nile hoped that if they prayed to Sobek, the crocodile god, he would protect them from being attacked by crocodiles.....The god Sobek, which was depicted as a crocodile or a man with the head of a crocodile was a powerful and frightening deity; in some Egyptian creation myths, it was Sobek who first came out of the waters of chaos to create the world." And you can't forget this little nugget of info: "As a creator god, he was occasionally linked with the sun god Ra." RA is guessed to be tied to Richard Alpert (hence the initials RA).
Some folks think he's Taweret (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taweret) but i disagree as the body looks way too thin and Sobek has more LOST esque connections too. Granted, the statue's headdress is small like Taweret, i'm still sticking to Sobek on this one!
Here's a great comparison shot of the statue, a pic of Sobek, and the cloth:
A few notes: I noticed that the Smoke Man was wearing black and going back: Jacob is wearing white. This could be another nod to the game setup/sides that we've seen and it REALLY goes back to Locke teaching Walt about backgammon and the two sides, black and white.
And how do I know it was 1845? The ship at sea looks to be the Black Rock, which set sail in 1845, never to be seen again.
- Marking his Territory- we saw Jacob talking to a few select LOSTies during their lives, ranging from the very young to adult age. (these are probably out of order, but no problem!)
First, we saw a young Kate and Tom (her childhood sweetheart that she got killed. How do I know it was him? Easy. He had his toy plane with him that she was looking for in season 1!).
The two had a plot to steal a New Kids on the Block lunchbox from a store (really Kate, NKOTB?!?!), but were caught. Jacob paid for the lunchbox, letting Kate and Tom off the hook.
Side note: did you hear the song that was playing in the store? It was sung by a woman and i'm going to state that i'm pretty sure it's Patsy Cline, as her music ALWAYS POPS up with Kate.
Jacob then meets Sawyer in 1976 on the day of his parents funeral. He starts to write his infamous letter to the man who conned his family (that we saw waaaaaaaaaay back in season 1) and who offers him a new pen? Jacob.
Side note: I liked the talk that Sawyer had with his.....uncle? (I read he mentioned an Uncle in season 1). His uncle tried to stress that: "what's done is done." and we heard this constantly throughout the season and the episode tonight as it was stated later, from Sawyer himself.
Jacob now bumps into Sayid as he and Nadia are crossing a street in LA. As Jacob asks Sayid for directions, Nadia wanders out into the street and is struck and killed by a car. It's obvious what happens here: Sayid is saved by Jacob, but Nadia is still murdered.
This scene was INSANE and I had a bad feeling as soon as it started; the same sort of angle/style was used when Juliet's ex-husband was hit by a bus in season 3. Some of my friends were arguing that Jacob might have had a hand in Nadia dying and from a certain POV, this could be a point, but I just think he knew he had to save Sayid. There was also a point where the car turned around and we could've gotten a glimpse of the driver, but I couldn't see anything as it happened way too fast.
Jacob then bumps into Jack after a surgery and gives him an Apollo bar that got stuck in a vending machine.
Side notes about this one: the incident in surgery were mentioned in the first episode of LOST. Jack told Kate about it when he had her sew him up. He told her about how he embraces fear for five seconds as he counts to five and then he goes about his business. What Jack did NOT tell her was that this was advice given to him by his father, Christian.
We've seen the Apollo bar before in the hatch and in other episodes on buses, billboards, etc.
I really liked this scene as, well, I LIKED Christian as he was giving Jack some advice that Jack not only used, but would go on to pass it on to other folks, like Kate.
We then see him wishing Jin and Sun well on their wedding, telling them never to take their love for granted. This again was a great scene as it's as though Jacob knows that Nadia is going to die, but either can't or won't do anything about it.
And lastly, we see Jacob talking to Hurley after his discharge from the LA County Lockup. This scene was interesting as it's the only time we see Jacob talking about the island and this is how Hurley ends up with the guitar case. Why a guitar case? Personally, I think it's a nod to Charlie and somehow helped persuade Hugo to head back to the island.
A few things to notice with these scenes is the fact that Jacob touches each and every person he encounters.
Kate
Sawyer
Jack
Hurley
Sun and Jin
Sayid
and my favorite Locke as he seemingly brought Locke back to life (and back to reality......).
Why would he have to touch them? I mentioned the "marking" of territory above, so maybe he's marking these people as they have significance to the island. Or maybe this somehow influences them to do something he thinks needs to happen? I'm not sure though.
Let's not forget that Jacob doesn't age. Why is this? Who/what is he?
We also saw Jacob visit Llana after she suffered some sort of accident or something. The two speak (i'm assuming latin?) and he asks her to help him, and she does.
Now, onto Jacob himself: I LOVED this character. Why? I think he has good intentions, his demeanor is very, I don't know, calm and soothing and he has very earnest and honest eyes. I trust him.
- Follow the Leader- We got some info tonight that not only is Eloise pregnant with Daniel, but at the time of the incident, she is in fact the Leader of the Others. So while Richard was lying that she was away a few eps back, he was probably trying to protect her as she is in fact the Leader, not Charles.
- Lies!- We got more info about Ben's lies as he told us that he has in fact never met Jacob, never spoke to him and before things went batshit crazy during the season 3 cabin scene, he had never had any contact with him. I can understand his frustration too as he did sacrifice A LOT for the island and Jacob never so much as thanked him.
- Real Estate- Speaking of Ben, I have a hunch that the house that Sayid and Jack broke into via the tunnels is in fact Ben's house as Ben did have a close connection to the underground tunnel system. Just a hunch.
- Richard's Age- We were told tonight by Richard that he never aged thanks to Jacob. How can Jacob grant this power? I don't know. Thoughts?
- Glyphics/Tapestries- There were more glyphics and stuff tonight as we saw them in the tunnels and in Jacob's hideout. The tapestry is actually the eye of Horus (thanks GETLOSTPODCASTMEDIA!!)
Horus is another egyptian God that has a slew of different representations, ranging from the sky to the moon to war and so forth.
This is also a nod to Horace Goodspeed, leader of the Dharma group.
- More Destiny- We saw Jack becoming more like Locke like he did last week when he was talking about destiny and fate. I did like Sawyer's reaction, "I don't speak destiny." I find Jack's progression pretty interesting to say the least and we'll see if the results are good or a bloodbath.
- FINALLY!!! - We saw what happened to three of our favorite LOSTies: Rose and Bernard!!
and Vincent!!! They had taken up residence living in the jungle with Vincent, living off the island. I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOVED this scene as I've always loved Rose and Bernard and to see that they were okay was great. I also loved their attitude about not caring about the island's possible destruction. And how great was Rose's line about it was always "something" with those people?
I still think that Rose and Bernard are the skeletons in the cave, Adam and Eve.
- "Good Guys"- This line was spoken by Bram to Frank. We've heard this LOTS OF times, specifically from Ben claiming that they were the good guys. I'm starting to think that this is some sort of saying from Jacob's people.
- Cabin Break In- Bram's group visited the cabin tonight and we saw a break in the ash, allowing people to leave and enter.
One of the theories I believed dealt with how ash and salt are known to keep spirits/entities trapped and perhaps Jacob was trapped in the cabin. The break in the ash signifies that somebody was allowed to get in or leave. Who or what that is and what happened, I dunno. But Jacob was no longer residing in the cabin. Perhaps he escaped and was back to his usual place in the statue. They also found a cloth that had a picture of Sobek on it, leading them to the statue.
and speaking of which:
- "What lies in the shadow of the Statue?"- We got an answer in latin tonight that translates to: "He who will save us all." So, Jacob is going to save us all. How? Why?
- More books- Jacob was seen reading "Everything that Rises Must Converge" before saving Locke.
The collection of short stories by Flannery O' Connor. The stories in the book are called,
"Everything That Rises Must Converge"
"Greenleaf"
"A View of the Woods"
"The Enduring Chill"
"The Comforts of Home"
"The Lame Shall Enter First"
"Revelation"
"Parker's Back"
"Judgment Day"
(stole from wiki).
I've read O' Connor, but these stories, so I'm not too familiar with them. I can tell you that some of them have themes of religion, heaven and hell, and so forth. Plus, if you look at the titles you see "Judgement day" which could be the incident, and the mentioning of woods and home could be a nod to the island? Your thoughts?
- "I'm a bloody Rock God!"- Sun found Charlie's DRIVESHAFT ring in Aaron's crib in the episode.
Charlie left this for Aaron in the season 3 finale when he went to his death in the Looking Glass station.
- "Candidate"- Frank was told that he was a possible candidate. I'm guessing that means that Bram's people (I guess I should call them Jacob's people) want him in the group as they know he's a good person. Bram also talked about "what they were up against," meaning the powers of the island.
- the Jar Jar Binks of LOST?- "Shesa really a startin' to annoy me, bombad Jedi!" Yup, Kate is really REALLY irritating me....which is nothing new. Jack wants to blow up the island in the hopes that he and Kate will be together, regardless of her slightly arrested status and Juliet thinks that Sawyer is still in love with her. There isn't too much else i can see here aside from HOW DID SHE SURVIVE THE INCIDENT?!?!? bullets flying, people gettin' impaled, arms lobbed off and Kate? Fine and Dandy! Grrrrrr!!!
- More parental issues- We saw Juliet's family history tonight as her parents got a divorce. This is another set of bad parental issues that is a HUGE theme on LOST. A few notes here: Rachel, Juliet's sister, is the one we saw in season 3 that was suffering from cancer, but was later cured (by Jacob!) and would go on to have a baby. And this is the only flashback that Jacob does not appear.
- An ass kicking 5 seasons in the making- We saw Sawyer and Jack beat the crap out of each other with Sawyer pretty much winning the fight.
I liked this scene as we've pretty much seen this buildup for 5 seasons. I was rooting for Sawyer; how about you folks?
- "Live Together, Die Alone"- Juliet said this tonight and we've seen Jack say this since season 1. It was also quoted by Kate. It's basically the idea that everybody has to stick together to survive. The irony here is that they're sticking together to blow themselves up on the island!
In the homestretch here!
-"The Incident"- Well, tonight we saw what the incident was..or did we? Is the incident the electromagnetism or the hydrogen bomb that seemingly went off? Is it both?
We know that Dr. Chang lost his arm in the incident, which confirms what we thought about Chang losing an arm. Also, if you think back to the Dharma videos, Chang mentions how talking to the hostiles or other stations might lead to another 'incident.' Is this the one he referred to? Does that imply that Chang and co survive the blast and that everything turns out okay for Dharma and it sends the LOSTies back to 2004? This one i'm not too sure of. Your thoughts?
- Juliet :( - Tonight we saw the more than certain gonna happen death of Juliet. She did survive the fall, but she was coughing up blood, so she's probably not gonna make it.
This part REALLY sucked as I loved Juliet. She was an awesome character on so many levels and I loved her and Sawyer together.
Or is she alive? If the bomb idea worked, then she's back over in Dharmaville, being miserable with Ben and sleeping with Goodwin.
Still, if she's dead, then I'm gonna miss her. And how heartbreaking was Sawyer's reaction?!? Seriously, I felt bad for the guy as he wept (Sawyer tears....Sears?)
- Sayid?!?!?!- We saw Sayid get shot tonight and from what we saw and were told, he didn't look good.
Question is: did he make it? Does he survive?
- "Ricardos"- Llana asked for Richard under a different name tonight, "Ricardos." Perhaps this is a latin translation of some sort? I did a check on wiki for kicks and saw that this name does mean, "Brave Ruler," which is interesting in the context of LOST as he does guide and advise his people.
- "Moses"- John's march to Jacob was jokingly referred to as him playing "Moses." Moses is a biblical reference, one of many on LOST. Claire's child is named Aaron. This name refers to the older brother of Moses. Eko's stick has quotes from Exodus, which describes Moses taking his people out of egypt.
Another biblical reference that my lady just pointed out to me is the comparison between Job and Ben. The deal with Job is that he had to go through some serious trials from Satan as Satan wants to see if Job will curse God. The idea of God and Satan could also be compared to that of Jacob and the Island/Smoke Monster.
Ben sacrifices his daughter, his life, to the island and he ends up cursing Jacob...well, killing him!
I did like Jacob's reaction before this though, 'What about you?' Interesting.
- We called it!- Many folks including myself weren't sure what to make of the new Locke and dealt with the idea that Locke was still dead...and this turned out to be the case.
It seems that Smokey find a "loophole" to kill Jacob with: Smokey can't do it, so he tricks Ben into doing it. This was a HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE shocker, wasn't it?!?!??? This also implies that Christian was doing some bad work as he was working AGAINST Jacob and the group.
However, Jacob's last words were, "They're coming." It then cut back to the Incident, but more importantly, Juliet detonating the bomb. Is this a reference to the timeline being changed? Or are the 1977 folks going to show up in 2007? In 2004?!? Is Jacob alive?!?!?!
Any ideas?!?!?
- And lastly, the BIG BOOM!- Juliet set off the hydrogen bomb. Doing what? I don't have a clue in hizzell. And how much does it SUCK that we have to wait till JANUARY OF 2010 TO FIND OUT?!?!!!?
And I don't know about you folks, but I LOVED the new LOST ending title card.
Reversed from what we've seen, it's a great reflection of the hydrogen bomb blast.
THE NUMBERS
- During Kate's flashback, a 6 pack of beer was $4.00
- Sawyer's parents were killed when he was 8.
- Hurley had $227 in cash when he got arrested. 2*7=14 + 2= 16.
- We got some dates tonight with Sawyer's parents dying in 1976 and that they were in July of 1977 at that time. I couldn't get any numbers out of them though.
and by God, I think that's IT!!!
As always, feel free to leave comments, feedback, theories, and whatnot.
Lastly, it's been a FREAKIN' BLAST typing this thing up each week for you folks to read and discuss. It's awesome to have chatted with so many people on this blog and other messageboards about a show that we all love.....a bit too much. lol Hell, three folks last night (including my lady) were giving me crap last night cos I got them into LOST and now they have to wait and suffer during the hiatus like the rest of us. hahaha But that's one of the things that is awesome about LOST: the communal aspect that gets all of us talking and pointing stuff out.
At any rate, it's been AWESOME. Feel free to check out the past blogs by clicking on MY JOURNAL and scrolling around (I don't have the links handy right now). You can click on the BACK 20 ENTRIES link at the upper right to see older entries.
If I see any LOST trailers/clips in the coming months, I'll post them as public. Feel free to add me as a Livejournal or myspace friend to check out my private blogs that I post, including movie reviews and my usual antics of geekery.
In the meantime, take it easy, be safe, and have a great rest of 2009!!!!
'till next time true believers.
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