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| 2009-04-09 12:37 |
| Note about LOST (5.12) - "Dead is Dead" |
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Good afternoon folks!! Phew, what a freakin' FANTASTICALLY
AWESOME EPISODE. Ben's episodes are always awesome and this one was definitely no exception. I loved this episode on every level, especially after what I thought was an uneven episode last week. Before we get into the blog, a thank you to getlostpodcast and LOST cubit for their pics!!
THINGS I NOTICED ABOUT LOST:
- Widmore - We saw more of Widmore and his relationship with Ben and the Others. One thing I noticed is how he seemed to be ordering Ben around, but nobody backed him up when he talked about killing alex (which he didn't do).
Is this evidence of Widmore going against the wishes of Jacob or him leading the Others, albeit poorly? I'm not sure.
- More with Widmore - it also appears that he ages on the island, which also brings up more questions about why he's there.
A shot of a young Widmore meeting the newly cured Ben.
While Richard doesn't appear to age, Widmore does. I would say that it's because he leaves the island, but so does richard. So, why is Widmore aging? Also, it seems as though he broke the rules by having a child (Penny) with an outsider. So, while Widmore was saying that he was tricked or forced off the island by Ben, he's lying through his teeth as it was his own fault. Interesting. Glad to see my allegiance to Team Ben Linus is well founded!
- I loved the beginning of the episode as started us up right where we left off before, with Ben and Locke talking as Ben woke up (granted, it was a different take as it involved John saying "Hello" to Ben). And I FINALLY got a good screenshot of Ben's "holy shit!" face.
These two have an AWESOME dynamic and I LOVE how they go back and forth with each other. I really hope neither of these characters bites it before the show ends as I think LOST would definitely be missing their banter and clash of personalities.
- Speaking of Ben - his stories did change a bit tonight. He tells John that he knew the island would bring him back to life, but he then expresses nervousness because of it to Sun. Perhaps this was just Ben's irritation at being left out of the loop, but I really enjoyed how stressed out and angry he was at being the odd man out. I found it pretty awesome to see him not knowing and for once, not having a plan.
- Moving to Locke - I gotta say seeing him in a position of power and dominance was a fantastic sight to behold. I did like his comment to Ben about being the one who never knew what was going on and so forth. I'm also liking how he knows where things are on teh island, just like he waltzed right to the temple without ever being there. It seems like his connection to the island is stronger than ever, but i'm curious just how he can help Sun and Jin reunite and whatnot.
We also heard Ben say that he killed John after finding out the critical info he had; this is more than likely referring to how John told Ben about Ms. Hawking being the one who would help them out. I've said this before that there was a reason why killed Locke after he got that information; glad to see that was confirmed.
- Memories - We saw more of Ben's backstory tonight, which included him teaching Ethan to scoot around the island in that creepy hostile way.
We saw them kidnap baby Alex from Rousseau (and I LOOOOOOOOOVED Ben's hair in this scene. It was so awesomely bad! Like Christian Bale flashbacks in BATMAN BEGINS bad!)
I couldn't but be curious about something Ben told Rousseau: "if you want your child to live, when you hear whispers, you run the other way!" We've heard whispers since the beginning of the show and there are oodles of theories about what they are. Some think that it's the Others time traveling while others think that it could be the smoke monster manifesting itself into somebody (as we've seen with Christian and Goodwin's wife when she snuck up on Juliet). This makes me wonder why the whispers would hurt Alex if they found Rousseau? I'm not sure why one would coincide with the other. Anybody wanna help me on this one?
- Speaking of Rousseau, did you notice that the hole Ben and Locke climbed through was the hole where Smokey pulled one of Rousseau's group into a few episodes back.
Smokey yankin' one of her crew.
and Ben and John climbing in.
Ironically enough, Sun has no clue that she's standing where Jin stood........about 17 years ago or so.
- And we'll get to smokey now! We saw more of smokey tonight and it seems like his history resides in the culture of the island; here, he seems to the judge of those on the island, deciding if they deserve to live or die.
Let me start from several weeks ago: we saw the back of the statue before a time flash. Many thought it was Anubis while others disagreed.
A shot from the back:
and a bit more analysis:
Tonight, it seems as thought it could very well be Anubis as we saw him among the hieroglyphics in the smoke monster's chamber. He appears to be with a long, snakelike creature.....probably the monster?
And happens to emerge from the grate beneath that glyph? Smokey!
Now, that's where my knowledge of Anubis stops, but some folks in the LJ show discussion talked more extensively about it and here is what I can decipher; again, this isn't me, so MANY MANY thanks to the folks on the LOST_TV boards.
Anubis is present on the wall. Basically, Anubis judged you and decided your fate in regards to the underworld and whatnot. He would judge you by putting your heart on a set of scales that scales decided your fate. If your heart was as "light as a feather," you lived forever. If your heart was heavy, you were eaten by Ammit, the destroyer. And smokey is Ammit.
Here is the description of Ammit from wiki:
"Ammit was the personification of divine retribution for all the wrongs one had committed in life. She dwelt in the Hall of Ma'at, who was the personification of the concept of truth, balance, and order. In the Ancient Egyptian underworld (known as Duat) hearts of the dead were weighed by Anubis against a feather from Ma'at's headdress. The hearts of those who were heavy with wrongdoing failed the test were given to Ammit for her to devour. Those whose souls were devoured were not permitted to enter Aaru, having to be restless forever—effectively dying a second time. If the heart was lighter than a feather then the soul was judged by the god of the underworld, Osiris."
So, was Ben in the Hall of Ma'at, being judged by Anubis???
Ben in the hall?
Look a this papyrus scene below of of a man's heart being judged.
We have Anubis by the scales, judging and who is sitting next to him? Ammit! Smoke Monster!
I think we hit the nail on the head in this one. This ties A LOT of things together, meaning that the Others are probably descendants of Egyptians.
And look at how Ammit is the "personification of divine retribution." We get this from Smokey as those who get close enough to him see visions of their life, like Ben did tonight and Eko did in season 2. The smoke shows your faults/sins/tresspasses and judges you for them. It showed Ben some of his good times and bad.
Great stuff tonight with smokey!
- Glyphs - here is the best shot of all the symbols/images we saw on the pillar.
I haven't had any time to start looking up symbols and I have about 13 more papers to grade, so I'm leaving this one up to YOU FOLKS! SO GET ON IT! hehehe :)
- Also, regarding Smokey: how in the hell did Ben summon him?!?!?! So, he crawls down a tunnel, and flushes the island's toilet and that summons smokey?
He then said something like "i'll be outside." What?!?! I'm curious what this is about as it made no sense to me
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- Alex is back...kind of- We saw the smoke take the form of Alex tonight (as it does with Yemi, Christian, etc) and speaking for the island, give Ben the proverbial, parent-esque ass spanky that Ben has needed for a while.
The island told Ben that it knew Ben was thinking about killing John again (....third time's a charm, maybe?) and if he tried to do so, it would track Ben down and kill him.
It also told Ben to follow whatever Locke says. And so Locke can maybe, finally, do what he's "supposed to do" (whatever that is) on the island without any interruptions, i.e.- Ben freakin' Linus.
- The sickness returns- I'm willing to bet that Llana and the rest of the Ajira 316 folks are now under control of the infamous island "sickness" as they seemed slightly crazy when Frank got back.
They also asked him, "what lies in the shadow of the statue?" which refers directly to the statue of Anubis and to the Others. Where they're taking Frank is beyond me though. And we never did find out what was in that crate; was it the guns that they found? I don't think so as they said it "stuff that needed to be moved." I dunno where they're leading us with this, but I hope he ends up okay.
And I don't know about anybody else, but when they asked Frank that riddle, I was reminded of when Desmond asked Locke a riddle when he first broke into the hatch. This seems to be a technique on the island to confirm somebody's identity and intentions. (that riddle was, "what did one snowman say to the other?" answer: Smells like carrots).
- Another VERY INTENSE MOMENT of tonights episode dealt with Desmond and Penny. Like many of you, I was worried that Ben was going to kill one or both of them, but we saw tonight that Ben has a softside when it comes to children. He saves Alex and is about to spare Penny's life when Desmond took him out from the side and beat the crap out of him.
An awesome grab of Ben underwater after his ass kicking.
I was REALLY worried when Ben shot Desmond though, really worried. I'm wondering how he survived this. Was it maybe Ben was a bad shot? It does look like Ben's shot was too far left?
Or, if you remember a few weeks ago, Hawking said that the island isn't done with Desmond. This means that, in theory, Desmond cannot die as the island won't let it happen. I wonder if we'll find out next week or in the coming weeks if the bullet deflected or if he got shot and just got right back up or what. But regardless, I was glad to see that everybody seemed to be okay. I was so excited that I actually yelled "f*** yeah, Desmond!!!!" in my apartment ( meanwhile I'll wonder why I get a notice for me to keep it down from the apartment's management. hahaha)
- Charles Dickens - did you notice the name of Desmond and Penny's boat? Ben said it was called 'our mutal friend.' The novel, OUR MUTUAL FRIEND, written by Charles dickens, is the novel that Desmond brought with him to prison, but never read it as he wanted it to be the last thing he read before he dies. Desmond also tells the prison guard in the season 2 finale that he's read every last word that Dickens ever wrote.
- Same timeline? - Some folks have pointed out that Ben's house looks as it did when they were attacked by the mercenaries from the boat. How do we know this? well, before the attack, we saw Hurley and Sawyer playing a heated game of risk.
In Ben's place when he showed up in last nights episode, the RISK game is still there, along with the dishes from Sawyer and Hurley.
So, perhaps this isn't a different timeline at all and things just look rundown and different, probably cos it's been three or four years since anybody was there. As for the why the DHARMA picture was there, probably cos the island wanted it to be. This gives Sun, Locke, and Ben the info they need to help figure out what is going on.
THE NUMBERS 4 8 15 16 23 42
Oddly enough, I found no real cameos from the numbers tonight. The only possible reference I found is something I read that talked about how Widmore told Ben that he was looking for the island for almost 20 years. It looks like Widmore was banished after the Purge of Dharma (which was supposedly around 1992). So if he was banished in 1992 and Ben was talking to him in 2008, that would mean Widmore would have been looking for the island for 16 years.
And I think that's it. While I was jumping around from link to link today, I saw that our ole friend Kevin Durand, who played Keamy in season 4 is going to be in the new X-MEN ORIGINS: WOLVERINE flick.
In LOST.
who is he playing you ask? The Blob!!
Yes, that is him in that suit fighting Hugh Jackman (the context of his shirt is hilarious!) The film also stars Dominic Monahgan (Charlie) as Beak/Blackwing (no pic of him yet that I could find).
And I think that does it!!! As always, feel free to post comments, ideas, and theories cos I love to chat about them!
'till next time true believers.
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| (Anonymous) |
| 2009-04-09 17:32 (UTC) |
| Not sure it means anything.... |
John Locke said something about "no reason to die twice" when he and Ben got to the dock. Seems like it could be a reference to the whole Anubis/Ammit judgment scenario.
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| (Anonymous) |
| 2009-04-09 20:17 (UTC) |
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What about this? A friend of mine and I were talking and he told me this theory, so I can't take credit for it, but it's interesting...
What if John Locke isn't really John Locke? What if he's the "island" (or the smoke monster or whatever can supposedly bring back people from the dead)? If you think about it, the same thing happened when Jack was bringing Christian home. They found an empty casket and now Christian has been appearing on the island. And John was never in the same place as Smokey in the episode. And it would also explain how he now knows so much about what's going on on the island and how to find the temple without having been there, etc. And Christian appeared to Sun and said "Wait for John Locke" because maybe the island knows she is more comfortable with Locke because she knows him. I don't know. It's just a thought and it makes sense to me, but I haven't sat down and seriously tried thinking it through.
Also, it seemed to me that Ben aimed to Desmond's right on purpose (as if he only meant to wound him, not kill him). And I'm suspecting the groceries somehow saved Desmond (or he was only injured in the side, so it wasn't mortally serious).
Stephanie :)
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I've actually read that earlier today and it could very well be the case. It would explain how he knows more about the island than he originally should AND if you noticed, smokey didn't enter the room with Ben until Locke went away to look for something to help him up with. It could very well be a possibility!
Ben doesn't kill innocents.....supposedly. hahahaha but yeah, that was my guess too: he wanted to just injure him as he has no beef with Hume.
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There's also an allusion to this I think after Ben summons Smokey, he goes outside and tells Sun something like, "whatever is about to come out of the jungle, I can't control." But then Locke comes out... I think they are hinting at something like that.
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This is a really solid idea; it could easily be a hint to the audience! I like it!
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| 2009-04-09 20:48 (UTC) |
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Great picture analysis! I still can't make up my mind for sure that it's Anubis but you make a great case for it.
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| whitebrowgigs |
| 2009-04-09 22:02 (UTC) |
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| Pic from LOSTcubit; icon made by me |
Many thanks!! I wasn't sure if it was Anubis either, but with last nights pics and whatnot, i can't imagine what else it would be.
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I'm not necessarily counting out that Benry didn't get Widmore banished. There was an entire chunk of the story we still haven't seen.
The entire Lostzilla scene was awesome. I heard a lot of people calling it lame, but fuck 'em. That shit was Lost-tastic!
When Benry reached in to flush the island toilet all I could think of was that scene in Trainspotting.
I'm also paranoid that the scene at the docks with Des/Penny/Benry isn't over. He went in the water but then what? Unless I missed it, nothing happened that injured his arm. Desmond knocked him down, roughed up his face, and tossed him in the water. My inherent distrust of the "facts" the show sometimes gives is telling me that more of this will be revealed later, and basically until we get confirmation that Penny is still alive and kicking in the present, I'm still nervous for her.
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| whitebrowgigs |
| 2009-04-09 22:04 (UTC) |
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| Pic from LOSTcubit; icon made by me |
good call on Widmore/Benry. I'm sure there is yet ANOTHER side to this story.
And i've heard one of my buds bitching about how last nights episode sucked, but that's fuckin' ridiculous. It was awesome.
hahaha i never even thought of Trainspotting!!! I suddenly want to hear Brian Eno's "Deep Blue Day."
I think she's okay; I would assume that once Ben was launched into the water, Desmond and co packed up ship and get the hell out of there. But still, you could be right..but I hope not!
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| ziney800 |
| 2009-04-09 21:54 (UTC) |
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I cant remember where I heard it, but I heard the statue was Tawaret, the Egyptian Goddess of fertility. She's holding 2 ankhs in all the pictures I've seen of her too. The only thing is, the skirt thing on the statue on the island isnt on any pictures I've seen of Tawaret.
and lol about the Blob. I cant wait for this movie now.
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I looked up a pic of Tawaret and I don't think it's this God.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/Tawaret_figurine_%28Boston_MFA%29.jpg
The bodies don't look too similar and the skirt on the statue matches Anubis. Unless there's another incarnation we can't find?
I'm still on the fence about Wolverine. I've heard pretty bad things about it, sadly. I just couldn't believe it was Keamy. I also read he was voted as one of Canada's funniest stand up comic in 1994. I was like, "the shit?!?!??!?? a comic?!??!?"
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| (Anonymous) |
| 2009-04-09 22:04 (UTC) |
| Richard Alpert |
I believe all the Egyptian hieroglyphics in this episode confirms my thoughts that Richard Alpert is from the Egyptian era. The mascara he wears is similar to the look the Egyptians and I think it was Sawyer who, earlier this season, commented on Richard's eye makeup.
Also, when Juliet was asked earlier this season about how old Richard is, she responded with a "really old," which means he is probably older than we had originally thought. The exact reason why he doesn't appear to age, I'm not sure, but it is probably connected to your point about one's "heart was as 'light as a feather,' you lived forever." If he is truly from the Egyptian era, his heart is probably even lighter than a feather.
I'd be glad to hear your thoughts on this.
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| whitebrowgigs |
| 2009-04-09 22:09 (UTC) |
| Re: Richard Alpert |
| Pic from LOSTcubit; icon made by me |
I gotta agree that this confirms Alpert and his connection to the egyptian era. To think that we all joked about the mascara and it was a HUUUUUUUGE clue that most of us missed. hahaha
I never thought about Richard's heart being "light as a feather." Great idea!! This would totally explain why he doesn't seem to age: because he was granted eternal life from the island!
Good theory!!
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| (Anonymous) |
| 2009-04-10 19:49 (UTC) |
| Re: Richard Alpert |
From Doc Jensen at Entertainment Weekly:
Richard Alpert's initials are RA, as in the sun god.
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| (Anonymous) |
| 2009-04-10 01:10 (UTC) |
| locke theory |
Also Ben was expecting Smokey to come out of the forest and Locke walked out instead and took Ben to a more private meeting to judge him
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| whitebrowgigs |
| 2009-04-10 03:43 (UTC) |
| Re: locke theory |
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That's something folks have pointed out to me; perhaps this is a hint that Locke is perhaps smokey?
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| odense |
| 2009-04-10 02:23 (UTC) |
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i don't use lj anymore but i check back every week for your write-up's so thanks muchly for them. they're all so thorough and up within like 12 hours of airing! :)
anyway, i've a question if you could help me out. is smokey jacob or something? jacob seems to be an entity the islanders fear and not question and since smokey is in charge of judgment, their roles are similar. also there are people saying smokey is island christian and christian was seen in the cabin so christian = smokey = jacob? this isn't really a theory, just something i'm not understanding among lost discussions.
finally, i loooove your "till next time true believers". it's so familiar, did i hear that from somewhere else or did you come up with it?
thanks again!
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| whitebrowgigs |
| 2009-04-10 04:02 (UTC) |
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aw, that's cool to hear! Thanks for reading them!! I have a blast typing them up and discussing different theories and ideas with fellow fans. Luckily, I don't have much to grade until the last week in April when I collect final projects; after I finish grading those, i'm free until fall and I can get them up faster! Plus, I owe a lot to LOST cubit and getlostpodcastmedia for getting caps up so quickly.
I'll start with Christian: yes, it is my belief that smokey has taken the form of Christian, as well as Alex, Yemi, Goodwin's wife that Juliet saw in season 4, among other people. It's my idea that the island speaks through the monster and/or they're one in the same and it uses these appearances of dead friends/family to communicate with the survivors. Now, as for times when these dead are spotted off the island, such as with Christian, Ana Lucia, and Charlie in seasons 4-5, i don't know. They could be figments of imagination, time traveling folks who jumped in time before their death (this is a stretch), or it could be the monster manifesting itself somehow off the island.
As for Jacob, I think he's a bit tricker. If you think back WAAAAAAAAAAY to season 3, you saw that his cabin was surrounded by a circle of gray ash. Some cultures believe that ash (or salt even) can keep a spirit out...or in this case, locked in, which is why perhaps Jacob told John to help him in season 3. I personally think that Jacob is his own entity, but he enlists the smoke monster to take the form of folks and help them do what's best for the island.
I'm also wondering about his cabin and why it appeared to Hurley (did you notice Ben's shock when Hurley mentioned they were going the wrong way to the cabin in season 4?) Plus, all three of them had to trek to the cabin to find Jacob; hurley also didn't see the ash around the cabin. Also, Horace built the cabin as a getaway; why did Jacob take it over? why and/how does it move? I have no clue about these last few questions.
as for the "till next time true believers," the "true believers" is what Stan Lee calls fans of Marvel comics and marvel superheroers. He would say something like "greetings true believers!" and "so long true believers!" so I just added my own spin, making it a goodbye, but also implying that, hey, we'd talk again. lol
Thanks!!
take it easy!
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| (Anonymous) |
| 2009-04-10 13:49 (UTC) |
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My friend also had this theory about Jacob. He thinks Jack is Jacob. I'm not so sure I buy this one, but I'm just throwing it out there. It would just be really ironic if Jack were the one giving all the orders to everyone (and they probably aren't direct orders; anything Jack/Jacob would say could be interpreted as orders). But like I said, I'm not sure I buy it. There would have to be some major time traveling issues (although Jack as Jacob would make sense in that he's trying to save everyone from jumping around in time but maybe got somehow trapped). I just don't know.
Stephanie :)
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| (Anonymous) |
| 2009-04-10 13:54 (UTC) |
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Hm. Just had a thought. If Horace built the cabin as a getaway, maybe Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Juliet, etc. all went there when Ben killed off the Dharma Initiative. Then if somehow they were brought back to the present, maybe Jack was trapped in the cabin and is therefore Jacob (his name sounds similar, so maybe it was misunderstood as he tried to communicate with someone). I think I'm going to have to think more about this theory. :-p
Stephanie :)
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The Purge does make me wonder just WTF is going to happen. Granted, they're in 1977 and the Purge supposedly doesn't happen until 1992, so they do have time to figure things out.
OR, what if by that time, Jack and Co. have told the truth to the Others and HELP them kill off Dharma? Just a thought.
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I've heard this theory too and I don't know if I buy it. It could be Jack as maybe he's trying to fix everything (sounds like his sort of thing, eh!) and he's stuck there until he does? I just don't think it's him.
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| (Anonymous) |
| 2009-04-10 03:51 (UTC) |
| More Musings from the Pierre Chang Guy |
Greetings My Friend!
First of all I love Locke as Dr. Manhattan. I don't know if you did that or found it but it is fantastic. And no life keeps getting in the way, have not seen it Looks like it is destined to come my way via DVD I do however have a HDTV set so it still should be pretty awesome. Before getting into anything else brought up last night I saw the question asked by Stephanie above about Locke being Locke. You and I had this discussion on 2/26/09 episode 5.7. I asked you Is It Locke, Or Is It SmokeyRex???
So now we are about 5 weeks later and we again have the question. This time I am leaning the other way. I think it is John. The dynamic between Ben and He is exactly the same as it was when John and he visited Jacob the first time.
Ben is beyond pathological when it comes to lying. I truly believe that Ben would lie on the most benign subject just to lie!
He also is always covering all the angles. When he thought John may be a threat to him he played Cesar on him. When John told him that he wanted to assist him he changed sides. The whole dead is dead talk to Sun was a lie, That is what Alex was talking about when she said she knew Ben was planning to kill Locke. Plus if Locke was Smoke Guardian instead of the real Locke why would Alex/Smoke Guardian make that statement? John Locke Lives!!! LOL
1) Loved the Emo Phillips wig on 23 year old Ben. So is this pre-massacre or post massacre. We know it is 1988 Alex is an infant. That would make Ethan 11 and Ben 23 (there is one of your numbers.) If the massacre is 1992, why are Ben and Ethan with the hostiles? If the massacre has occurred why are they still living in the tents? I knew that that was Charles on the horse right away, but the actors who play him at 3 different stages really do not look alike.
2)Ben reveals as we expected that once John told him Eloise Hawkings name then he no longer needed him. Again that this goes back to Ben knowing everything except that which exists in Widmore's domain.
3) Richard-and everyone else: Richard is a special being, the rest of the Hostiles/Others are not. Richard is from ancient Egypt, Charles, Ben, Ethan, Elly they are from modern times. My theory is Richard recruited Elly and Charles just like he had Juliet. Because if everybody else didn't age Ben would still be 12, Alex and Ethan infants. The Island may heal them but it does not make them immortal, Richard is...or at least close to it!Also Richard answers to Jacob not Charles and Elly like the rest do. In the Old Testament Jacob is the father of Joseph who of course had some dealings with the Egyptians......
4) 2007 Ben Sun Frank all on the Island...where are the rest of the Others and Richard? They did not leap with Locke where did they go?
5) I think the scene where smokey judges Ben confirms what your theory is, that the whispers are the ghosts of the past that are now captured by smokey. I think Ben was telling Danielle to run the other way if she heard the whispers, because that meant the Hostiles would be nearby. He did not want him getting close again to Alex.
6) The best news of all Penny Lives! Will not let my head believe any differently LOL
7)Is Ilana and company possessed? When Danielle's crew "got sick" it was due to their going down the hole. Danielle avoided it because Jin made her stay above ground. Let's remember they are not on the Island, could Smokey have possessed them on the small island? My initial thought was also along the lines of yours, but perhaps they read something while rifling through the papers that prompted the question.
8) Great Shot of Keamy in Wolverine Save the whales indeed!
9) Ben and Rorschach both have a soft spot for kids!
I'm spent...Can not wait to read your responses!
Until Next Time Brother!
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| whitebrowgigs |
| 2009-04-10 04:20 (UTC) |
| Re: More Musings from the Pierre Chang Guy |
| Pic from LOSTcubit; icon made by me |
hahaha the pic of Lockehattan is from LOST cubit. They had a much larger version of it and I KNEW I had to cap it and use it as an icon. It's hilarious!! and I suggest you try to see WATCHMEN soon as it's probably well on its way out of theaters. I'm hoping the superduper extended cut is still planned for winter DVD release (it's supposed to be a longer cut of the film along with TALES OF THE BLACK FREIGHTER in there too. I dunno about UNDER THE HOOD, but I would LOOOOOOOVE superdupermondo extended cut of EVERYTHING. it'd be like 5 hours. hahaha)
I'm pretty torn on what is up with Locke. On one hand the dynamic between him and Ben is still there, but how does he know about the temple? He seems to know random things now and if you notice, the smoke monster doesn't appear to Ben until Locke leaves to find some rope to help him out of the hall. Also, somebody pointed out that Ben said he couldn't control what was coming out of the jungle, expecting smokey....but it was Locke. Maybe this is a hint? I'm not sure though. If Locke is himself, how does he know new things about the island? Did the island bringing him back to life make him all knowing about it? I dunno.
I loved Ben's mindgames in this one; i had a feeling he was going to try to kill Locke again and playing Cesar was hilarious. I found that scene with cesar getting capped morbidly funny in a Frogurt death sorta way. hahaha
Maybe the island is just trying to keep ben in line? He runs around killing and causing mayhem and maybe the island is tired of it. Or maybe they just don't want him slowing down John. I mean, John could probably get hurt, but it would probably take time to heal as we saw with his leg and bullet wound.
1. I want to say that this is pre-massacre. I keep seeing the date of the Purge as in the 1990's and if Rousseau came in 1988, this would probably happen in 1989 or so. I'm thinking that Ben would randomly run away to the Others for bits at a time, maybe giving them intelligence about the D.I. and perhaps he talked Ethan into joining them. I think we'll see more about Ethan pretty soon to explain how he also joined the hostiles. But my instinct is that this is definitely pre-massacre. And I thought this version of charles looked a lot like Widmore, especially in the face.
2. Yup, we were right on that!
3. I think you're right about this; richard is part of the original inhabitants/egyptians/egyptian descendants and thus doesn't age. Everybody else is modern/regular and thus, will age. Good thinkin'!
4. I'm thinking that the Others are still in 2007/2008, but we just haven't seen them yet. It's obvious that they're not in the temple as they were in the end of season 3 and they did help Ben at the end of season 4. My guess is that perhaps they're in hiding or plotting something.
5. Good point on why Rousseau should run from the whispers; also, maybe Ben would feel guilty if smokey took out Rousseau? He has a soft spot for her a she's a mother and maybe he wants her to live?
6. yes, I agree!! so happy penny is okay!
7. I'm not sure how they could have been taken over by smokey as I don't think we've seen him on hydra island, but something is definitely up. Somebody suggested to me that perhaps it's a code to see if Frank is working for Widmore as she and some folks are working for Widmore and what they had in the crate were weapons and guns. I think either one is a definite possibility.
8. hahaha thanks! since the workprint leaked it's easier to find random pics. I've heard A LOT of negatives about this flick. I was going to avoid it and netflix it anyway.
9. lol I like that.
take it easy!
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| (Anonymous) |
| 2009-04-10 20:06 (UTC) |
| Re: More Musings from the Pierre Chang Guy |
Remember that Locke said something about being the same man as he was before. He really made a point of it. I will assume this to mean he really is John Locke as I don't think all his flashbacks could work if it suddenly turned out that he was always something/someone more.
I like the theory that Cesar, Ilana, etc. are really working with Widmore. It would make sense that he would attach his people to one or more of the O6 in an attempt to find the island again.
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| whitebrowgigs |
| 2009-04-13 14:01 (UTC) |
| Re: More Musings from the Pierre Chang Guy |
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Yeah, he is pretty much pushing the idea that it's him, he's okay, etc. Unless of course he doesn't KNOW he's Smokey? This one is up in the air for me to be honest. Like Ben said, "Dead is Dead," but then again, Ben has been known to lie from time to time. hahaha
Definitely a possibility with Widmore; it wouldn't surprise me one bit!
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