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| 2009-01-29 00:31 |
| Notes about LOST (5.3)- "Jughead" |
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| Bob Dylan- "Not Dark Yet" |
Greetings folks!!! Hope all is well. We return to LOST this week with a slower episode and as a result, I don't have nearly as much as usual, but I do have a decent number of hints and revelations! As always, thanks to LOST CUBIT for their hella fast and terrific screencaps!!! So, let's get to it, shall we?
Things I noticed about LOST
- Desmond (who was WAAAAAY over accessorizing in this episode, might I add. I mean, c'mon dude, Hat, scarf, AND sunglasses?!? I know you were trying to be incognito, but geez!) and Penny had a baby!!

It was quite nice of them to name it Charlie, after charlie from the island. Also, keep in mind that Penny's fathers name is Charles as well. so, poor/creepy coincidence there.
- From the name on the building Desmond entered, Mabuhay, it seemed as though they were in the Philippines, meaning they decided to stay in the south pacific area, really not too far from where the Oceanic 6 falsely washed ashore.
- The hydrogen bomb on the island

My question is where did they bury it? I want to say it was buried by the Swan station and maybe the explosion at the end of season 2 had something to do with the electromagnetism and the bomb? That's my only idea but I know it's wrong as the explosion would have been FAAAAAAAAR bigger. So, I dunno where its buried. Your thoughts?
- We also found out that this was taking place in 1954, two years before John was born on May 30th, 1956. (and for those who are trying to find the numbers in there, I tried lots of things and couldn't find any of them. Feel free to try them).
- Dan and Theresa Spencer- It's obvious that Spencer is suffering from the time travel sickness that killed Minkowski, is probably killing Charlotte and almost claimed Desmond.

I am curious about the specifics of the experiment though as if its the same symptoms as the others, why hasn't she died yet? Was it something different that Daniel did? What happened? And this does slightly tarnish the uber awesome opinion I had of Daniel. Tsk Tsk, Faraday! I tried to see if her name had any signifance, but the only random thing I found was that Spencer was the first name of anthropologist Spencer Wells. Wells has traced human migration over the last 50,000 years. This to me is kinda ironic as Daniel knew Theresa, and Daniel knows Charlotte, who is an anthropologist. Just a thought.
- Speaking of names: did you catch the name on the soldier who was later killed by the other soldier? The name on his outfit was CUNNINGHAM. This could be a nod to Ebenezer Cunningham, a British mathematician who studied special relativity, which deals with electromagnetics, time issues, and spacetime issues. We've seen other scientist/mathematician names on the show such as Minkowski; and LOST has a knack for name other characters after scientists, philosophers, etc.
- The other name, Jones, isn't as solid in what it could mean. I found something called the Jones Calculus, which deals with polarized light and optical issues. This could relate as if you remember in the early part of season 4, Dan made a comment about how the light on the island is different in the way it hits. Then again, this is a HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE stretch.
- There is also another nod to who could be Dan's mother in this episode. If you remember last week, I was one of the many who guessed that Dan's mother is Ms. Hawking. During the repeat of last weeks second episode, "The Lie" the enhanced notes told us that Ms. Hawking's first name is Eloise. If you think back to Daniel's experiments, the name of his rat was Eloise. Also, did you notice the name of the gun wielding blonde who was part of the Others? She was called 'Ellie'; perhaps this could be a nickname from Eloise and perhaps that woman was Daniel's mother?!?!!??!?!

That's why Daniel recognized her?!?!?!? I guess we'll have to wait and see.
- And Charles Widmore as an Other too?!?!??

It seems that JONES wasn't his name at all as he was revealed to be Charles Widmore, Penny's father, the head of Widmore Pharmaceuticals and the one who sent the mercenary team to the island. This is starting to make sense as Widmore did tell Ben that it was "his island" and "it always was." This begs the question of how/why did Widmore leave?? Was he on the island the whole time/is he a true native/hostile of the island? Why does he age then??!?!? And he did talk to Ellie, and this has lead some to say that.......
- Widmore and Ellie (Ms. Hawking/Eloise) are Daniel's parents. Maybe this is why Widmore funded Daniel's research and why Daniel got into time travel/physics in the first place as his parents were both in that field? This could also mean that Ms. Hawking is an other is well, which asks why can't she age and how/why did she leave, etc. But this could explain why Widmore has her address despite her wanting to remain private. I didn't come up with this theory, but it's sounding more and more legit.
- I also want to learn more about why Widmore was funding Daniel's research. It's not like at this point Dan could teleport Widmore back to the island or something like that. Why would he fund Daniel's research? What does he have to gain out of it?
- Latin- Why would the Others use latin as a means of communication? Latin has deep roots in Europe and many languages take their origins from Latin. Perhaps its because latin is a language used by scientists and those in the scientific field, such as mathameticians? Not too sure.
- Smoke Monster noise? When John is walking into the Others camp, I DEFINITELY heard the clicks and whistles of the Smoke monster somewhere in the background. I DVR'd it, so it's roughly in the 50-53 minute mark, but it's totally audible when he's walking in and yelling for Richard. You can also hear it briefly when the two are talking in the tent.
- The Compass!!! Something I forgot to mention in last weeks blog and later edited in there was the importance of the compass that Richard gives John.

This was the same compass that Richard showed John when he was a young kid, but WHY he did that makes total sense. John told Richard to come visit him and Richard does, bringing with him a few items such as a knife, book of laws, baseball glove, and a compass (pictured above).

And he asks John "which one of these items belong to you?" Why does he ask that: COS THE COMPASS DID BRIEFLY BELONG TO JOHN!! That's why he asked John cos he thought it was Johns. But obviously, young John has no clue about the compass and Richard figures this out and leaves.
- Charlotte is dead?

I dunno about this one as the previews for next week showed us more info, but I hope she's not dead. I dunno, i find her daniel to be a great match and this is goofy to say, but dammit, I want them to get off the island and have lots of redheaded babies that have bad memories and cry for no reason while watching TV. THERE, I SAID IT. :)
- and regarding the previews for next week: Sawyer says he saw Kate in the jungle, the gang goes boating (What the shit?) and we heard a scream that sounded a lot like Claire. I'm guessing that the island jumped ahead and Claire is screaming about her baby or being kidnapped or something. But my guess is that it'll definitely be something that we've seen before That's my guess.
- also, as a random bonus, I was reminded of a video from SDCC 08 that features Dr. Chang pleading to folks in the present to save the Dharma Initiative. The voice behind the camera is incredibly familiar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7nebAAA8dg Could it be that this specific someone told Dharma about their fate? Something to consider.
THE NUMBERS 4 8 15 16 23 42
- The number of the Physics department at Oxford was 142-08. - Miles said they walked over 4 fresh graves. - As previously stated, I didn't find any sort of number issues with 1954 or John's birthday of 5/30/1956.
And I believe that's it. Please as always, feel free to leave comments/feedback and your theories.
Many thanks for reading too folks!! Last weeks blog (on the Livejournal at least) had A LOT of comments and i'm really happy that lots of people are enjoying and commenting on the blogs each week.
For you NON LJ folks, I do reply to your comments, but there isn't a way you can be notified when I do, so just check the blog from time to time.
Again, thanks for reading and 'till next time true believers.
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I always dig your write-ups because they make sense of a crazy, mysterious, "WHAT?!" inducing show. Thanks.
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| (Anonymous) |
| 2009-01-29 15:56 (UTC) |
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Great job on the recap!
Spawn boardname - Raven Maniac.
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Glad you enjoy them!! Thanks for reading!
and that icon still cracks me up.
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spifftronica |
| 2009-01-29 16:05 (UTC) |
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| not penny's boat. |
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Hah! Everyone is so wrapped up in baby DesSpawn being an homage to Charlie Pace, I didn't even consider he could easily be named for his grandfather. It's less likely in that they both are not fans of Widmore, but at the same time some people take naming rituals and traditions to heart. I wonder if we'll see a flashback scene at some point where Penny insists on naming him Charles, but Desmond still calls him Charlie.
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| (Anonymous) |
| 2009-01-29 16:23 (UTC) |
| Baby Charlie |
I know people have thought this, but wht can't baby Charlie be the same Charlie that crashed in Oceanic 815? I'm also pretty sure Ellie is Eloise, Daniel's mother and possibly Penny's mother by Charles Widmore.
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spifftronica |
| 2009-01-29 16:29 (UTC) |
| Re: Baby Charlie |
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You mean, like, Penny actually gave birth to Charlie, who will grow up to Drive Shaft fame? I find that a stretch, especially since they are off the island currently and not involved in the Island's Time Warp dance (it's just a jump to the left...).
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| (Anonymous) |
| 2009-01-29 16:47 (UTC) |
| Re: Baby Charlie |
Yeah, I know it's a stretch, but how do we know Penny's not involved with this island more than we know. The rules don't seem to apply to Desmond the way they do to other people on the island or as a part of the Oceanic 815. It could also help explain why Des was so upset when Charlie died.
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spifftronica |
| 2009-01-29 16:51 (UTC) |
| Re: Baby Charlie |
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I mean, more power to you if you're right, but I don't see it at all. I believe Desmond was upset because he felt somewhat responsible since his visions led Charlie to that predicament and ultimately he wasn't going to be able to save him, and also they had bonded on the island.
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| (Anonymous) |
| 2009-01-29 17:09 (UTC) |
| Re: Baby Charlie |
Yeah, you guys are probably right, but it would have been a cool twist.
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| (Anonymous) |
| 2009-01-29 16:41 (UTC) |
| Re: Baby Charlie |
I thought about that, too! But then I dismissed it because (1) Penny and Des aren't involved in the time shift, and (2) Charlie had an older brother. Unless Charlie was somehow adopted by another family, I don't think it's possible.
Stephanie :)
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Traditions are true, but it's obvious that Pennuh doesn't have the most amount of affection for her father. My thought is that they both wanted to name him charlie cos he is psuedo responsible for bringing the two back togehter.
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| (Anonymous) |
| 2009-01-29 16:38 (UTC) |
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Ok. This is a way out there theory and I'm probably wrong, but it's something I thought of when I saw the previews for next week. Sawyer saw Kate in the jungle and someone told her she was going to lose Aaron. I think there were also clips of her with a gun. I know she took one when she left her house. What if she kills herself and then appears back on the island. Dead people have appeared in the jungle before. Or maybe Jack kills her as a way to get her back to the island because it's the only way she'll go back? I find it hard to believe she'd kill herself because she'd abandon Aaron. But it's just a thought.
I thought John said his birthday was April 13th, 1956, but I must have heard wrong.
Speaking Latin didn't surprise me. I don't remember where I heard/read this (or formed this opinion) but if you want people of different languages to understand you, speak Latin. Now, granted, there doesn't seem to be much cultural diversity on the island, so language barriers don't seem to matter. But you're right. Latin is the basis for scientific, mathematic, medical terminology and the romance languages. It's also a dead language (as in no countries speak it), which I suppose makes it a little more "secret code" like and why the others speak it. :-p
Stephanie :)
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I dunno if Kate would just jump back to the island though. If that's true, then Locke is already on the island, maybe as a ghost cos his body is still on the mainland. I think maybe if you die on the island you can stick around, but I dunno how the off island shenanigans work.
Somebody made the comment that perhaps Richard has ties to Ancient Roman history as this would account for not only the Latin, but the 4 toed statue as well.
Thanks for reading!
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velv |
| 2009-01-30 02:59 (UTC) |
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regarding lockes b-day and the numbers, someone else figured out that: Locke was born may 30 1954 5+30+19+54= 108
nice recap btw... =)
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AH DAMN that's so awesome I should have thunk it! hehehehe thanks for filling me on though!! I knew it was there somewhere, dammit!!
thanks for reading!! :)
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| (Anonymous) |
| 2009-01-30 08:40 (UTC) |
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Doesn't work Locke was born 5/30/1956 not 1954 sorry guys that is 110.
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| (Anonymous) |
| 2009-01-30 12:56 (UTC) |
| The compasses aren't the same |
The compass Richard shows young Locke is not the same compass as Locke gives to Richard in 1954. It is similar, but it is not the same compass.
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whitebrowgigs |
| 2009-01-30 14:47 (UTC) |
| Re: The compasses aren't the same |
| Jemaine |
Ah, true, I noticed they are a bit different, but I think the idea is still the same. Richard wanted john to see if he would claim a compass.
thanks for reading!
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| (Anonymous) |
| 2009-01-31 17:40 (UTC) |
| Theresa Spencer |
I have remembered that Boones nanny was called Theresa, he mentioned it when he talked about tormenting her which caused her 2 fall downstairs.....perhaps there's a link there somewhere.
Alexis x
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ooooo good catch!!! Theresa falls up the stairs, Theresa falls down the stairs, if memory serves.
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| (Anonymous) |
| 2009-02-04 18:34 (UTC) |
| new theory from SPAIN brutha!!! |
I have come up with an idea about the last episode of Lost (5.3) and I wanted to share with you guys… Everything came up with the Latin thing, why are the others speaking in Latin?? I was wondering why they were able to speak this "death" language… maybe because it comes from the survivors of the ancient ship crew… maybe they spoke in Latin… and the others are their descendants... i dont know... maybe!! And here it goes the thing… How do you say the name of Jack in Latin? … Guess it.. yes: “Jacob”… It is possible that Jacob is really Jack…?? During this season he will go back to the island, and, as we know, the island is unstable, so Jack will be traveling in time with the island, going to the past, future... with a loooot of info about the island, the people in the island, bla bla bla... He will be appearing and desapearing all the time and: giving advises to Ben about how to manage the Island??? hahaha... Ben knows everything about the oceanic survivors... did Jack/Jacob tell him those "private" things?? many of them couldnt be known via investigation... Remember the episode in the cabin with Jack’ father and sister... or is Jacob’s??? and so many other things that can be explained with this theory... try to do it... Spanish LOST addicts!!!!
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| (Anonymous) |
| 2009-02-04 18:48 (UTC) |
| Re: new theory from SPAIN brutha!!! |
God, I think it makes sense. It could be. The transcription for Jack's tatoo is “He walks among us, but is not one of us". Hell, Jack is Jacob!. I see it clear!!
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whitebrowgigs |
| 2009-02-05 03:14 (UTC) |
| Re: new theory from SPAIN brutha!!! |
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Greetings! Thanks for replying.
that theory seems pretty interesting and could totally work. It would make sense for Jack to have a huge role in this as his role has always been that of a leader (the Shephard, his last name).
My question though is how do Richard and the Others from 1954 deal/know about him? How would jack end up back in time like that?
Great theory though!
Thanks for reading!!
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| (Anonymous) |
| 2009-02-05 12:45 (UTC) |
| Re: new theory from SPAIN brutha!!! |
hi!! thank you too for your question :P ... its easy... as i said before, the island is unstable, and jack (who will go back to the island in the future), could be travelling back in time, even before 1954... so he could tell them anything about the future!! chaaaaan chaaan chaaaannnnn :)
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